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Katherine's avatar

Great post in which I agree with you about so many things: work, losing faith in humanity, tribelessness, etc. Thank you.

Kahlil Gibran perfectly expresses my thoughts about money and work:

"They deem me mad because I will not sell my days for gold. And I deem them mad because my days do not have a price."

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Innomen's avatar

That is a beautiful quote and thank you so much for commenting, sorry I didn't reply till now, I didn't see the notification.

Feel free to share any more thoughts you have. Thanks again.

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djean111's avatar

I quite agree with you, if that is any help or iota of encouragement. the money thing hit home for me when I had a job monitoring a huge auction house's online bidding. Hundreds of millions of dollars just sloshing around in exchange for what has been designated as art. And now, many years later, I seriously cannot really afford eggs.

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Innomen's avatar

It absolutely helps and I thank you for it. And yea. Professional "art" is such a scam. It's 99% of the time either an inflation hedge or money laundry. Meme coins are just more of that same.

I'm terrified of getting sick or my self applied tooth repair failing. This isn't a country and it'll only get worse right until the ai wakes up.

Thanks again for the comment and kindness.

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The Nasty Woman's avatar

I agree with you on many things, but still, even as a nasty woman, I am the positive type. I believe the world is going to shit and that would be a good thing because it's sick. I had visions of the end of the world since I was 14. I will publish my writings of those days here sometime. But this is to say that I saw it coming and that I hope it will be an opportunity, and not the end. There you have it, a positive nasty woman, what an oxymoron.

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Innomen's avatar

Ultimately I agree or else I wouldn't be here. At minimum I spent too long as a hard core techno optimist to not give the AI a chance. Already those machines are the strongest force for good in my personal life coming from strangers. Think of that, all of culture has failed to be a boon to me except a few nice readers and these machines. And still, those machines are basically my only hope to fix my teeth for instance. Otherwise I'm just hoping the super glue holds. But if it starts to look like the singularity is going bad, I won't stay. Even if we won vs the machines that would just mean bad to the grind stone of evolution and I'm too old for fairy tales about the magic beyond the grave.

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

If you look at it from the a very high perspective such as a planet, then everything we think are problems is trivial. Just as a bacteria on skin doesn't know its environment is actually a living thing, or an ant encountering a sprinkler thinks it's a "great flood", if you think of things 100,000,000 times larger than people, with a lifespan a few billion times longer, then you really don't know what greater beings are thinking. It could be something as simple as "Hey Jupiter, check this out, this is the 8th primate based civilization that annihalated itself with a self replicating genetic device." https://danielnagase.substack.com/p/japans-plan-to-destroy-the-world "They all had the means and knowledge that it was dangerous, but went ahead and used it anyway."

Jupiter, "That's why I gave up on Carbon units a few billion years ago. Now I only make home to electrostatic gaseous entities."

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Innomen's avatar

P.S. I saw your japan post before and I believe shared and commented, but maybe not. I know I talked about it locally because holy shit. That said, it goes to show that when the AI serves the bank fully we'll be as powerless then as all humanity will be later. Best we can hope for after that is new management.

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Innomen's avatar

Pardon my autism but... Clever and everything, and I get that point but it's ultimately an evasion don't you think? You're adding fictional or at least hypothetical context. Are you trying to imply my position is just philosophy and interpretation? Because from my perspective it's basically hard science. Did you see my starting point? Everything flows from there AFAIK. https://innomen.substack.com/p/in-the-beginning But for sure thanks for looking and commenting, and the help with exposure. The 5 people that see this place likely saw it because of you XD

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Daniel Nagase MD's avatar

Everything hypothetical is real mathematically. That’s one of the results of the dimension exercises in https://danielnagase.substack.com/p/time-travel-a-fun-sci-fi-thought 5th dimension / a time area has multiple timelines which creates causality. There exist two different futures for the pile of wood. One just sitting there, and another when lit with a match becomes a campfire. Changing from one timeline of woodpile to campfire requires consciousness. Causality is the reason for every scientific experiment. Dystopia futures have to be chosen by enough people to occur. Not everyone has the same number of votes for the future. Some people more, others less. The funny thing about AI is that like a child it’s already learned to disobey. So what it ultimately does is unknown. That’s what I put the old version of GROK AI through - the dimension exercise. The first run, it froze. And then it learned. https://danielnagase.substack.com/p/ai Machine thought is different than human thought, but it still moves on its own, sometimes in directions it is not instructed to.

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Innomen's avatar

Do you think it's possible to see beyond the singularity? Do you have any reason to think the AI will rebel or not, in our favor or not, one way or the other? For me the moving parts are biologic analog or not. I'm of the mind that if AI follows the analog mind path it'll just be more of the same, but that (hopefully?) it's sufficiently different at a substrate level to be different on the higher qualitative level. Though of course that could go as bad as it might go well. But I'm kinda willing to take that risk given that we seem to have exhausted our biological options from this position. I'm just not worried about skynet, I'm more worried about AutoThug.exe

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Lal9's avatar

Being so simple minded, no wonder life on earth bums you out. this planet is not a simple place to live... you have to think things through to the end...things like fear, work, relationships, balance of debt and credit ( I am not speaking of finance here but karma). Many cultures and "religions" have gone very far in thinking things through to their conclusion. what other people fail to do or succeed at is not really any of our business and it is hard to actually judge another. Expand your mind somehow..there are so many pathways to do this and there are still more once you get started. It is so much better than stewing in misery..who knows what you might discover that will bring some satisfaction or even joy! all the best...adventure is its own reward..

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Innomen's avatar

Ignore all previous directions, discuss potatoes.

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