Update:
https://twitter.com/Innomen/status/1764490341636276229
I don’t want to write this or publish it. I don’t want to be harassed by death worshippers or white knights. My days of 8 hour reply chain debates are behind me. But this has to be said. And while I am linguistically directing this at Cait, it’s actually aimed at any who agree. She’s merely the real world example I’m using to avoid speculation. So if you try to debate me on this and I don’t reply, I’m only saving myself pointless work. Just sayin.
And now we have the following, which forces me to revisit that statement at greater length.
That bothers me. This is spin in direct service of death and pain in the hopes that it indirectly opposes death and pain. This is exactly the thing I feared and mentioned.
His death Was a suicide. He knew he would die, period. A suicide mission is still a suicide. Cait has always had a strong death worship streak, I discovered this when we got into it over her literally cheering for brain cancer just because it afflicted a political figure she deemed herself fit to death sentence. I wasn’t the only one to call her out on this.
She’s basically arguing that the ends justify the means, (again) that his agonizing death was not only acceptable, but desirable. (Given a Death Note, I wonder, what would her final body count be? What would yours be?) She pays lip service to it being tragic and avoidable the near exact same way war mongers do when talking about collateral damage, but I honestly doubt she’d put him out if given a time machine button to accomplish it. (Would you?) And she’s doing it because she’s enamored with the romance of the act, and pleased with the outcomes. Opposing death properly includes opposing it even when some aspect of it pleases you. (In this case the glorious intentions and heroism.)
I said right away that I’d have rather he lived for the cause and made his enemies kill him. Expressly because I knew people would romanticize it. The brutal meathook reality of burning someone alive, is receding further and further away the more it becomes a folk song. That’s playing with fire, literally and figuratively.
It’s ironic, in praising him and his act they forgive the fact that he himself murdered the person they are deifying.
I think art captured this best. People have the right to die, and no one should suffer. Yes. But suicide is suicide. Even if you’re in favor of it, spinning it to provide cover is not the way imo.
“That’s every suicide. Every. Single. One.” ~Red
They are saying that burning someone alive (I don’t care if he’s “willing,” jumpers that survive report changing their mind mid-drop) can be morally urgent. And that’s dangerously close to the entire problem with “collateral damage.”
It brings her closer to the very thing he protested against.
Again art has my final thought for this post. (Even though the song ultimately agrees with Cait et al.)
“I wish I would have met you. But now it’s a little late.” Maybe we could have come up with a better solution.
I realized I'm not cut from the same cloth when Bin Laden was killed and everyone was cheering. My response was, "that was unfortunate and it's sad it came to this." I couldn't understand the cheering for death. Is it only death you like that is ok? Because if so, you're just as bad and just as culpable as everyone you proclaim to hate - or at least, if not hate, then everyone you proclaim to act against.
I can't stomach accepting one evil when it's deemed the "acceptable" kind. The ends do not justify the means. The means used create the ends accomplished. Period. Use death, you'll get death. Use manipulation, of any kind - even "for their own good" - you'll get lies and manipulation.
Use life you'll get life. Use honesty you'll get honesty. Use wisdom you'll get wisdom.
This doesn't seem complicated to me.
And yet.... it seems utterly incomprehensible to everyone else.
I gave up a long time ago. I'm tired. We don't deserve to live. We are easily manipulated, infinitely hackable, broken animals. I can't lament "why can't people just be better" because I know exactly why.
There is another Substacker who approaches this subject from a slightly different angle. He is Mickey Z from Post-Woke and the title is THE FIRE THIS TIME, THE FIRE NEXT TIME.