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Ahh, that's exactly the problem you outlined: you take experience to be a monolithic and certain thing (in that it cannot be denied), and you build from there. That's the very problem: we have to first ask what you mean by experience, and then we have to ask why you assume it applies across the board, and then we have to ask if the patterns that you claim to find in your experience match that of others' (and it's not clear how you could measure that).

I see what EE is trying to do, but I don't see how it avoids the criticisms already given.

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Well, it's that kind of Cartesian proof of experience that has kinda fallen on hard times. I agree that my example is different from the one of experience you laid out, but the main point stands that you can't extract reality from proof or even from your presuppositions (and this extends to experience, however vague and nebulous that term actually is because what it means is never parsed out cleanly).

"Experience" isn't a clear and distinct starting point from which we can figure out the rest of reality. The sentiment is beautiful, but it falls victim to the idea of 'neutrality'. There is no 'given' that we can derive from that would be separate and neutral from us. There is no metaphysical standpoint where we soar above the other, false ones. It is called 'The Myth of the Given' because nothing is ever given that is free from our influence and then from our folly. Not language, not culture, nor mathematics.

By the way, you'd be surprised to learn that there is an entire field of mathematics called Math Formalism that actually believes in the creation of mathematics, not its discovery.

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